[SiCk_DiAbLo]

Well it's been some time now, how do ya think he's doing?? The one's that voted for him, are ya happy with the results??

[4nik8]

A lot of what we wanted e.g. single payer health care, an end to the wars, banks fixing and controlling, etc the majority of the American people wanted.

They have gotten NONE of this.
In fact, it's been the exact opposite.

Sing payer health care? Fuck no. The original idea has been bastardized to the point it's not even an option anymore.
The "Health care reform" has turned out to be nothing more than an ideal situation for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
IE Obama's concessions to both caused a 10% increase, across the board, for insurance company stocks on the eve of his new proposal....

Funny what MANDATING insurance coverage will do for an INSURANCE COMPANY'S bottom line... ain't it?



An end to the wars?
hardly. In FACT, he's ramped up the bullshit and increased the amount of boys being sent there to die.





Banks being fixed or controlled?

Absolutely fucking NOT.
Instead, they were handed billions, hand over fist, with ZERO REQUIREMENTS FOR DISCLOSURES ON WHERE THE FUNDS WERE GOING OR WHAT THEY WERE BEING USED FOR.
Initially, the money was SUPPOSED to be used for making loans to the public... you know... so the economy could grow.
Instead, we got MORE foreclosures, LESS/HARDER TO GET loans and JP Morgan/ GOLDMAN SACHS etc posting record profits.....

Mind you... all this without ONE MENTION of any reform to ensure that they couldn't do this to the American public again...






What's the difference between now and a year ago when Obama first took office?

His rhetoric doesn't resonate like it used to and people are seeing him for what he is. Oh, and his approval ratings are dropping faster than old woman's tits when let loose from her control top bra.


Who is Obama?
ANOTHER Democrat deep in the pockets of CORPORATE AMERICA.

[Incognito]

I must agree with 4nik8. So far, not much has happened. The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the economy has been recovering faster than expected... and that is a very VERY good thing IMO.

[Stonkin_Boner]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 4nik8 Funny what MANDATING insurance coverage will do for an INSURANCE COMPANY'S bottom line... ain't it?

Agreed, but I liken insurance companies to banks, and vica versa.
Parasites, usurers, thieves, etc.............

	Quote: Originally Posted by 4nik8 Banks being fixed or controlled? Absolutely fucking NOT. Instead, they were handed billions, hand over fist, with ZERO REQUIREMENTS FOR DISCLOSURES ON WHERE THE FUNDS WERE GOING OR WHAT THEY WERE BEING USED FOR. Initially, the money was SUPPOSED to be used for making loans to the public... you know... so the economy could grow. Instead, we got MORE foreclosures, LESS/HARDER TO GET loans and JP Morgan/ GOLDMAN SACHS etc posting record profits..... Mind you... all this without ONE MENTION of any reform to ensure that they couldn't do this to the American public again...

Entirely the same scenario over here, as well as most everywhere in Europe.
Our beloved Bank of England introduced 'Quantitative Easing', which is a perceived nice name for printing money and injecting it into the economy.
Oh, by the way, it was/is injected into the economy through the banks, who have yet to do anything at all worth note, exactly the same as you are suffering.

Nobody has the balls to stand up to these fucking banks, and the banks know it. The situation has been going on, and encouraged, for too long. The banks and financial institutions in general are far too entrenched and are in almost complete control of everything.

So, what has a foreigner to do with the opening post ?

Everything.
Because your leader, no matter what political persuasion and no matter what sex they may be, is directly ruled and subservient to financial institutions and the strings they may wish to pull.
It is the things our leaders do that is of no concern to their masters (the financial institutions), but which is perceived as important to us mere mortals, that they are judged by. Not the real issues.

Just the same as over here.
With one exception.
What happens in the USA affects the rest of the world.
Obama hasn't really made much of a name for himself from what I can gather.

[Amadeus]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Incognito I must agree with 4nik8. So far, not much has happened. The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the economy has been recovering faster than expected... and that is a very VERY good thing IMO.

I'd have to disagree. I dunno about you, but all I'm seeing are more and more people getting laid off of work and their hours being cut. Even my old man, who's been doing the same job for 30 years got put out of work over the winter, and now he's behind on HIS bills...and he's one of the most financially savvy people I know.

I don't think the economy is getting any better at all, because they're relying on one man in the congress to help build it back up, and honestly, I don't think he's doing a very good job. It's been almost 3 years now, and I haven't seen any improvement whatsoever.

[Goddamn_Prick]

In MY opinion:


Obama and his team and the democratic controlled House are doing no worse than the last ten presidents before him. I say this based on an objective tit for tat review.

The lies still run rampant, the back stabbing and two faced duplicitous pandering still spills forth from every politician regardless of the D or R.

Republicans 'buy' votes from the middle class whites by using scare tactics and from the rich by giving tax incentives.

Democrats 'buy' votes by pumping up social programs that are overwhelmingly used by the poor and destitute.

And they both try to win elections by spending MILLIONS of $$ to make the other guy look like the bigger shit bag



I don't see how any INDIVIDUAL who is moderately educated could fall for any message from a politician.

The issue, in my view, is PARTY LINE voting ... dumb fuckers vote these people into office, dumb fuckers that are steered like sheep by the few articulate manipulators to a vote booth and instructed to simply mark the D or the R.

I crisscrossed part lines in EVERY election and voted for a person that I thought would do a good job. I would NEVER vote a straight party ticket .. ever never.


We MUST do away with party line votes and you will see local politics become more and more where the power base is...<--- after all that IS where the Founders wanted power to be in the 1st place.


************


On a related note, I'm fed up and fucking tired of hearing the shrill whiny voice of Sean Hannity during his 3 hour rant about how he wants to dig Reagan up and suck his dead "republican values" cock.

Fed up with fat face Rush Limbaugh and his idiotic US or THEM diatribe ( the same one he has been slinging for over 20 years).

Fed up with bible thumping nut job Glen BECK and his barely concealed theology lectures and overt anarchy threats.

I Hate Keith Olberman and his weaselly way of attacking the mentioned three above because he's trailing in ratings.



Fuck Fox news ... fair and balanced my ass.

Fuck MSNBC ..suck ass liberal faggots.

[4nik8]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick In MY opinion: Obama and his team and the democratic controlled House are doing no worse than the last ten presidents before him. I say this based on an objective tit for tat review.

Couldn't agree more.
In fact, I think he's following the plan that's been laid out and CARRIED out since the inception of the Fed Reserve.
That may be a little deep for some... but that's a good thing. Maybe it'll stir a few to do some research to figure out why I sound so off the wall.

	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick The lies still run rampant, the back stabbing and two faced duplicitous pandering still spills forth from every politician regardless of the D or R.

It's really so simple how it works, most Americans don't see it for what it is.
The best analogy I've heard is likening it to a WWF show. In front of the people they scratch and fight and shout.. behind the scenes they laugh all the way to the bank... together.

	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick The issue, in my view, is PARTY LINE voting ... dumb fuckers vote these people into office, dumb fuckers that are steered like sheep by the few articulate manipulators to a vote booth and instructed to simply mark the D or the R. We MUST do away with party line votes and you will see local politics become more and more where the power base is...<--- after all that IS where the Founders wanted power to be in the 1st place.

Until we nationalize the Fed (putting control of the American's money back in the hand of Americans) and reinstate regulations on Wall Street... that would all be for naught.
Because, as long as the power resides with those that have the money, the voters wishes will continue to be ignored.

	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick Republicans 'buy' votes from the middle class whites by using scare tactics and from the rich by giving tax incentives. Democrats 'buy' votes by pumping up social programs that are overwhelmingly used by the poor and destitute. And they both try to win elections by spending MILLIONS of $$ to make the other guy look like the bigger shit bag

I found something that shes a little light on the concept.
It's amazing how closely tied the two parties are when you look at their bottom line:



The first misconception that needs to be corrected is that "the Repugs get the most corporate money, and the Dems only get a small piece of the action". This is demonstrably untrue. And that myth tends to ride along with another one, that "the most politically-important industries such as defense contractors, telecoms, car manufacturers, health care, pharmaceuticals and Wall Street, all tend to be solidly Republican". This is demonstrably untrue as well.

The best example to begin with is health care, partly because it impacts directly on the current HCR debate, and also partly because so many DKosers want to believe that the Repug opposition to HCR comes from the "fact" that, as Rep Weiner declared, the Repugs are a "wholly-owned subsidiary" of the health care and insurance industry. The actual campaign contribution figures, alas, demonstrate that this is simply not true: it is the Dems, not the Repugs, who are currently owned by the health care and insurance industry.

Let's begin with the biggie, the 2008 Presidential campaign (all figures include PACS, individuals, 527s, and soft money contributions):

Health Services/HMO's:

Contributions to:
Barack Obama $1,4235,501
John McCain $427,228

Pharmaceuticals:

Barack Obama $2,124,560
John McCain $665,422

Now let's look at the figures for all races, for the years 2009-2010:

Contributions from Health Professionals:
Donations to Dems $13,827,356
Percentage of total to Dems 55%
Donations to Repugs $11,116,261
Percentage of total to Repugs 45%

HMO contributions:

Total $$3,792,002
Percent to Dems 66
Percent to Repugs 33

Now let's look at Insurance:

Donations to Dems $7,265,653
Percentage of total to Dems 52%
Donations to Repugs $6,515,832
Percentage of total to Repugs 47%

Then let's look at Pharmaceuticals:

Donations to Dems $5,064,428
Percentage of total to Dems 57%
Donations to Repugs $3,746,465
Percentage of total to Repugs 42%

And now figures for just Congressional races, 2009-2010:

Number 2 is Health Professionals:

Total contributions: 15,370,571
Percentage to Dems 62%
Percentage to Repugs 37%

Number 6 is Insurance

Total contributions $9,864,471
Percentage to Dems 57%
Percentage to Repugs 43%

Number 10 is Pharma/Health Products

Total contributions $6,405,127
Percentage to Dems 61%
Percentage to Repugs 39%

The domination of the Dem party by health care companies may, alas, have something to do with the fact that the Dems took a health care proposal that was supported by 70% of the population (public option), introduced it to a government that they control totally, and turned it into a massive mandated giveaway to the health insurance industry.


Now, let's demolish the myth that "all the major industries, such as defense contractors, Wall Street, car manufacturers, and telecoms, are solidly and consistently Republican". The actual campaign contributions for the 2009-2010 election cycle (as before, these figures include PACS, 527's, individual contributions and soft money contributions) show otherwise:

Defense industries:

Total contributions $8,777,667
Percentage to Dems 57
Percentage to Repugs 42

Defense Aerospace:

Total contributions $3,858,141
Percentage to Dems 58
Percentage to Repugs 41

Defense Electronics:

Total contributions $2,895,255
Percentage to Dems 56
Percentage to Repugs 44

Auto manufacturers:
Total contributions $302,668
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 37

Telecoms:
Total contributions $3,498,621
Percentage to Dems 55
Percentage to Repugs 45

Wall Street:

Securities and Investment companies:
Total contributions $30,193,682
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 36

Venture Capital companies:
Total contributions $3,214,175
Percentage to Dems 73
Percentage to Repugs 23

Mortgage bankers:
Total contributions $895,870
Percentage to Dems 54
Percentage to Repugs 46

Hedge Funds:
Total contributions $2,940,746
Percentage to Dems 61
Percentage to Repugs 39

Oil and Gas:
Total contributions $9,449,321
Percentage to Dems 32
Percentage to Repugs 67

And that brings up another myth that too many Democratic activists want to believe--the idea that "most of the major corporate industries year after year support the Repugs and oppose the Dems"

When you examine the actual contributions from previous elections, an interesting pattern emerges; the vast majority of corporate industries give a significant amount of money to both parties in every election, but they vary which party gets more of their support, and hop effortlessly from supporting one party in one election to supporting the other party in another election, and then back again. And that pattern of changing contributor support from one party to the other tracks almost perfectly with a very crucial factor---the party which holds power, whichever one it happens to be.

Campaign contributions for 1994 (when the Dems were in power), 2004 (when the Repugs were in power) and 2010 (when the Dems are again in power) show, across a wide range of industries, a very tight correlation between "party in power" and "party that receives more support"--almost invariably, each party receives more when it is in power, and less when it is not:

Industry: Aerospace Defense
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 59
Percentage to Repugs 41

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 39
Percentage to Repugs 60

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 59
Percentage to Repugs 41

Industry: Airlines
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 37

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 38
Percentage to Repugs 61

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 59
Percentage to Repugs 41

Industry: Auto Manufacturers
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 47
Percentage to Repugs 53

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 35
Percentage to Repugs 65

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 37

Industry: Mortgage Banks
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 64
Percentage to Repugs 36

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 35
Percentage to Repugs 65

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 54
Percentage to Repugs 46

Industry: Cruise Lines and Cruise Ships
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 64
Percentage to Repugs 36

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 49
Percentage to Repugs 51

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 85
Percentage to Repugs 15

Industry: Defense Contractors
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 59
Percentage to Repugs 41

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 38
Percentage to Repugs 62

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 58
Percentage to Repugs 42

Industry: Defense Electronics
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 60
Percentage to Repugs 40

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 39
Percentage to Repugs 61

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 57
Percentage to Repugs 43

Industry: Drug Manufacturers and Pharmaceuticals
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 40
Percentage to Repugs 60

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 31
Percentage to Repugs 69

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 54
Percentage to Repugs 46

Industry: HMO's and Health Care Providers
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 37

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 43
Percentage to Repugs 57

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 67
Percentage to Repugs 32

Industry: Insurance
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 44
Percentage to Repugs 56

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 32
Percentage to Repugs 67

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 53
Percentage to Repugs 47

Industry: Lobbyists
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 74
Percentage to Repugs 26

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 48
Percentage to Repugs 52

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 67
Percentage to Repugs 32

Industry: Telecomms
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 55
Percentage to Repugs 45

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 41
Percentage to Repugs 59

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 55
Percentage to Repugs 45

Industry: Securities and Investment
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 51
Percentage to Repugs 48

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 48
Percentage to Repugs 51

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 63
Percentage to Repugs 36

Industry: Steel Manufacturers
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 46
Percentage to Repugs 54

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 27
Percentage to Repugs 72

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 51
Percentage to Repugs 49

Industry: Oil and Gas
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 38
Percentage to Repugs 62

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 19
Percentage to Repugs 80

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 32
Percentage to Repugs 67

Industry: Agribusiness
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 40
Percentage to Repugs 60

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 28
Percentage to Repugs 71

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 47
Percentage to Repugs 53

Industry: Labor Unions
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 96
Percentage to Repugs 4

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 87
Percentage to Repugs 13

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 92
Percentage to Repugs 7

Industry: Motion Pictures
1994 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 90
Percentage to Repugs 10

2004 Elections (Repugs in power):
Percentage to Dems 86
Percentage to Repugs 14

2010 Elections (Dems in power):
Percentage to Dems 91
Percentage to Repugs 9

The data is clear---corporate industries leap from one party to the other with ease, according to who is in power at the time. The vast majority of corporations are nonpartisan--they simply give the lion's share of their cash to whoever can do them favors, and they don't care which party it happens to be.

They can afford to be nonpartisan because they own both parties and can back either one as convenient for them.


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	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick On a related note, I'm fed up and fucking tired of hearing the shrill whiny voice of Sean Hannity during his 3 hour rant about how he wants to dig Reagan up and suck his dead "republican values" cock. Fed up with fat face Rush Limbaugh and his idiotic US or THEM diatribe ( the same one he has been slinging for over 20 years). Fed up with bible thumping nut job Glen BECK and his barely concealed theology lectures and overt anarchy threats. I Hate Keith Olberman and his weaselly way of attacking the mentioned three above because he's trailing in ratings. Fuck Fox news ... fair and balanced my ass. Fuck MSNBC ..suck ass liberal faggots.

That got a huge LAWL from me. I've felt the same way for a while now... to the point I rarely even turn on any news channel.. save local news.. and then the (subliminal? intentionally understated? passed off as everyone should agree with this?) agenda being spewed has me cussing at a box in my living room.

Another thought I had on this is one I've developed after reading about the human psyche and how it works.
Humans, since times of villages, have sought acceptance and approval.
They also tend to believe, out of hand, what's being told to them as long as the person doing the telling is accepted as somewhat a "celebrity".

I think these shows are, more or less, designed to play on that and it melds minds.
I can't tell you often I'd get frustrated at people "arguing their point" and were doing nothing more than parroting what they've heard... and that's IF they got to the point of arguing. It was more like a group of parrots singing what they've heard out of their box... only to "squawk" when one parrot sung a tune s/he'd heard on a different program...

ahh there it is..

it's not called programming for nothing.

[Shiatsu^26]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Goddamn_Prick In MY opinion: ************ On a related note, I'm fed up and fucking tired of hearing the shrill whiny voice of Sean Hannity during his 3 hour rant about how he wants to dig Reagan up and suck his dead "republican values" cock. Fed up with fat face Rush Limbaugh and his idiotic US or THEM diatribe ( the same one he has been slinging for over 20 years). Fed up with bible thumping nut job Glen BECK and his barely concealed theology lectures and overt anarchy threats. I Hate Keith Olberman and his weaselly way of attacking the mentioned three above because he's trailing in ratings. Fuck Fox news ... fair and balanced my ass. Fuck MSNBC ..suck ass liberal faggots.

That is hilariouse! My debates with Nik are making me think it WILL NEVER FUCKING MATTER who is voted in, when they go to the white house, thier to do list gets shredded & the goverment hands them a new one & says "Do it or get out!"

[4nik8]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Shiatsu^26 My debates with Nik are making me think it WILL NEVER FUCKING MATTER who is voted in, when they go to the white house, thier to do list gets shredded & the goverment hands them a new one & says "Do it or get out!"

How could we turn that around?

Audit the Federal Reserve: HR 1207 and S 604

HR 1207

YouTube- Ron Paul rebuts criticisms of Federal...

(Bold names are cosponsors of the bill)

Watch this, if nothing else, for a view into how we've gotten where we are. Note how old this is and how long it's taken him to finally get a bill introduced and get people on board with the idea.
It seems some Americans are waking up to what's going on around them!

	Quote: Originally Posted by Way back in 1988 Dr. Paul knew his facts & was 100% correct on monetary policy. Revealing interview from the August, 1988 broadcast of Frank Morrow's "Alternative Views" found at archive.org. It cements Dr. Paul's place as America's leading economic prophet crying in the wilderness and a voice we ignored at our own loss. At the time of the interview, Dr. Paul was the Libertarian candidate for president.

YouTube- Ron Paul - The Power Elite, A must see...

Some other good ones.

YouTube- Ron Paul 0wnz the Federal Reserve

YouTube- Ron Paul on CNN:The Federal Reserve...

And a minor face palm:

YouTube- Obama - 7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes